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Te Tiriti 2024 and Beyond – Pakihere Rokiroki (Podcast Collection)


Podcast series 3: Te Tiriti 2024 and beyond

Nau mai haere mai

Dive into thought-provoking conversations on New Zealand’s constitution. Our podcast series offers candid and insightful kōrero to deepen our comprehension of how Te Tiriti o Waitangi has shaped our nation.

In our current era of Te Tiriti turmoil, authentic conversations about equity, inclusion and Te Tiriti o Waitangi are paramount. Te Tiriti is largely regarded as the founding constitutional document of New Zealand.  Yet few know of its significance to Māori and how their rights have been negatively impacted in the 184 years since te Tiriti o Waitangi was signed.

This podcast series shares the stories of six influential thought leaders who are deeply educated in Te Tiriti comprehension. 

Kaye-Maree Dunn (Making Everything Achievable) engages with thought leaders on He Whakaputanga o te Rangatiratanga o Nu Tireni and Te Tiriti o Waitangi.


Our first episode is a deep kōrero with Pita Tipene about the history of te Tiriti, and Ngāpuhi sovereignty.
Dr. Makere Mutu, Bill Te Huia Hamilton, and Dr. Luke Fitzmaurice-Brown share their unique perspectives and deep insights from a tangata whenua perspective.

We explore a tangata Tiriti perspective with Joseph Nicholls, and from the tangata Moana perspective with Faumuina Felolini Maria Tafuna’i, as they discuss their roles as advocates and supporters of Te Tiriti o Waitangi.

This series is an easy entry point to the key subjects related to the creation of our New Zealand constitution, and the impacts of colonisation on both Māori and all people in New Zealand. The kōrero in these podcasts are reflective discussions that delve into history, unity, education, allyship with tangata Tiriti, tangata Moana, and the empowering influence of rangatahi leadership.

People actually forget the protective mechanism that Te Tiriti provides to all New Zealanders”.

Te Tiriti o Waitangi is for all within Aotearoa, we hope this series inspires you to prompt others to know more, to have reflective and challenging conversations with your community, to make more visible and promote Te Tiriti o Waitangi as a solution to a better, just future for all New Zealanders. This podcast series is about sharing hope, education, history and an easy entry point for those just beginning their te Tiriti Journey.
We have provided links in the section below to help you access different ways to take positive action for Te Tiriti o Waitangi.

If you are looking for more podcasts about Te Tiriti – check out our first series Te Tiriti Kōrero
Additionally, if you are seeking more Te Tiriti resources to help you become a dynamic Tiriti ally or partner, you’ll find them here

Find us on these channels:

Ngā mihi nui to Kaye Maree Dunn and her team at Making Everything Achievable


Click here for more Te Tiriti resources for learning and action

Presenter biographies can be found by clicking the image tile

Te Tiriti 2024 and beyond | Pita Tipene – Looking back to go forward

Pita (Ngāti Hine) shares his kōrero on the history of Te Tiriti, He Whakaputanga, and the outcome from the Waitangi Tribunal
“Affirming what everyone already knew that Ngā Puhi never ceded sovereignty.”

Te Tiriti 2024 and beyond | Makere (Margaret) Mutu – What shapes us

Dr. Makere Mutu (Ngāti Kahu) reflects on her personal journey that led her to becoming a constitutional transformation advocate, her reflections on Te Tiriti and leadership taking us forward.
“Whole country has been denied knowledge, not just Māori.”

Te Tiriti 2024 and beyond | Bill Te Huia Hamilton – Rangatiratanga is for everybody
Te Huia (Ngāti Kahungungu, Ngā Rauru, Ngāti Raukawa) breaks down the difficult emotions some face regarding Te Tiriti and addresses fears surrounding concepts of co-governance and rangatiratanga.
“Through rangatiratanga, we can all achieve our potential”

Te Tiriti 2024 and beyond | Joseph Nicholls – Heartfelt reflections from a tangata Tiriti
Joseph’s post on Facebook supporting the protest action in Te Papa in November 2023 sparked a movement from tangata Tiriti in support of Māori, and in opposition to the proposed Treaty Principles Bill by the new coalition Government in late 2023.
Joseph talks facts, myth-busting and about some of the humbling or uncomfortable feelings many Pākehā might experience when looking to explore our nation’s history regarding Te Tiriti and the history.
“I wanted to draw attention to Te Tiriti or at least to the Māori text of Te Tiriti”

Te Tiriti 2024 and beyond | Faumuina Felolini Maria Tafuna’i – Being better partners
Faumuina hails from Samoa, and is an advocate for Te Tiriti. Her position is about education for greater allyship support from tangata Moana “why we shouldn’t let our cousins be pushed around” Faumauina is the CEO of Flying Geese and along with Hoturoa Barclay Kerr, has created “17 habits of a valued treaty partner” a framework for becoming a better Te Tiriti ally.

Te Tiriti 2024 and beyond | Dr Luke Fitzmaurice-Brown – Education removes the racist myths surrounding Te Tiriti
Luke articulates what he thinks the role of the government is, and how we can utilise Te Tiriti principles for a more inclusive multicultural society, a greater framework for environmental protection and respecting indigenous practices. “We are going to need to confront some really challenging histories and also current events“

Important links to align with these podcasts.

Episode one
Pita Tipene
Pita Tipene | Chair of Te Rūnanga o Ngāti Hine
Waitangi Treaty Grounds
Ngā Toki Whakarururanga

Episode two
Bill Te Huia Hamilton
e-tangata One hundred cups of tea
Moving into positive territory with te Tiriti
National Iwi chairs forum – Strengthening rangatiratanga
Related organisations in support of te Tiriti

Episode three
Makere Margaret Mutu
NZ Herald – Margaret Mutu: The coalition agreements are a catalyst for Māori
Professor Margaret Mutu reacts to Te Papa vandalism
Makere Mutu Constitutional Transformation

Episode four
Joseph Nicholls
Joseph created a simple Facebook post that went viral – In a short period it was shared over 3000 times which clearly showed there was support for Te Tiriti. Josephs Facebook post , and more here
He shared these links to resources he has accessed for Tangata Tiriti
The Treaty People (Tangata Tiriti)  who also have material for Tauiwi in several other languages
Asians Supporting Tino Rangatiratanga 
Gathering at the Gate (another  list of great resources)
The Pākehā Project
Te Tiriti Based Futures
He Tohu: Signatures that shape New Zealand  Especially these video’s

Episode five
Faumuina Felolini Maria Tafuna’i
Tauiwi tautoko – resources
Flying Geese website
17 Habits of a Valued Treaty Partner

Episode six
Luke Fitzmaurice-Brown
Newsroom home page – Luke Fitzmaurice-Brown
Upholding Te Tiriti o Waitangi in 2022
The myth of the cession of Māori sovereignty  
Why we are debating ‘the principles’ of the Treaty of Waitangi
Te Tiriti should inspire hope, not fear
Waitangi, as the dust settles

Human Rights Commission
Constitutional Transformation Needed To Honour Te Tiriti O Waitangi

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Pita Tipene

Ko Mōtatau te marae, Ko Ngāti Te Tārawa te Hapu, Ko Ngāti Hine te Iwi. Ka papā te whatititiri, ka hikohiko te uira, ka wahierua ki runga o Motatau, e tū ana i te ao, i te po, ō Hikurangi, ngā kiekie whawhanui a Uenuku. Ko Taumārere te awa, Ko te puna i Keteriki, Keteriki, Kete Tangariki, ko Ngāti Hine Pukepukerau. 

Pita Tipene (Ngāti Hine) has held the position of Waitangi National Trust Chair since February 2016. Pita holds a number of governance roles within his Iwi of Ngāti Hine as well as local, regional and national roles. Some of his roles include: Co-convenor at Ngā Toki Whakarururanga, Chair of Mōtatau marae and Chair of the Ngāti Hine Forestry Trust. Additionally, Pita sits on Te Kahu o Taonui (Taitokerau Iwi Chairs Forum) representing Te Rūnanga o Ngāti Hine. One of his other national roles is as the Chair of the Mānuka Charitable Trust which has the responsibility of maintaining and enhancing the Intellectual property of Mānuka in the global market. Pita has a passion for upholding He Whakaputanga and Te Tiriti o Waitangi. 

Makere Mutu

Makere (Margaret) Mutu is of Ngāti Kahu, Te Rarawa, Ngāti Whātua and Scottish descent. She is a Ngāti Kahu leader, author, activist and academic from Karikari. For the past two decades, Makere has chaired Te Rūnanga-ā-Iwi o Ngāti Kahu, where she represents Ngāti Kahu on the National Iwi Chairs Forum. She also chairs Te Pou Tikanga, the Aotearoa Independent Monitoring Mechanism, which monitors New Zealand’s compliance with the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, and Matike Mai Aotearoa — the Independent Working Group on Constitutional Transformation. Makere is a Professor in Māori Studies at the University of Auckland and her areas of expertise lie in Te Tiriti o Waitangi, Māori language, colonisation and resource management. 

Te Huia Bill Hamilton

Te Huia Bill Hamilton (Ngāti Kahungungu, Ngā Rauru, Ngāti Raukawa) is a treaty facilitator and educator with Treaty Solutions. He has dedicated 25 years to educating Pākehā and Tauiwi on Te Tiriti o Waitangi. He is the lead advisor for the National Iwi chairs forum – and has acted as a treaty settlement negotiator, and as an advisor for NZEI Te Riu Roa. Bill initially served as a school principal, while also serving as a member and chair of the Māori Education Trust Board from 1993- 2015.  

Joseph Nicholls

Joseph Nicolls ancestors are from England, Wales, Scotland and Sweden. His family has been in Aotearoa for several generations. Joseph considers himself a regular middle-aged Pākehā bloke. Born in Mōhua, top of the South, Te Tau Ihu, and has lived most of his life in Pōneke, Wellington. His career has included design and construction, as well as community, education and freelance facilitation work. These days, Joseph facilitates men’s groups, mental health first response with Coliberate Ltd and the Human Skills side of Tech at Dev Academy Aotearoa. Moving forwardhe hopes to do more treaty education work for Tangata Tiriti. 

Faumuina Felolini Maria Tafuna’i

Faumuina Felolini Maria Tafuna’i hails from the villages of Fasito’o-Tai, Asaga and Mulifanua in Samoa. She is a voyager, strategist and poet. Faumuina is CEO and Founder of Flying Geese which uses a framework based on celestial navigation and voyaging that she developed under the guidance of tohunga Hoturoa Barclay-Kerr. Flying Geese creates and delivers programmes to support indigenous peoples in the areas of entrepreneurship, strategic planning, and suicide prevention. Her book, My Grandfather is a Canoe, has been adapted for stage and won multiple awards since its debut in March 2022. Faumuina was also the first Pacific Islander to become an Edmund Hillary Fellow. 

Luke Fitzmaurice-Brown

Dr. Luke Fitzmaurice-Brown (Te Aupōuri/Pākehā) is an academic from Victoria University of Wellington where he is a lecturer in the Faculty of Law. Luke is interested in Kaupapa Māori approaches to law and policy. His research and teaching focuses on Te Tiriti o Waitangi, decolonisation, family law, and child protection. In recent years, Luke has written articles on Te Tiriti o Waitangi for Newsroom and The Spinoff. Luke lives in Pōneke with his wife Kelsey, son Oscar and cat Achilles.